Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

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Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par Matti nl » lun. janv. 11, 2021 7:44 pm

Dear GONG and forum members

I am living in the Netherlands and since two years addicted to sup surfing. I used to sup on flat water since 2013 and started wave surfing and wave supping in 2018, nowadays I sup surf 8 out of 10 times (and occasionally I surf traditionally). I have also supped at Ile de Re and saint Giles Croix de Vie in waves from about 1,50/170 m (with the all wave). I am 46 years old, 1.75m and 80kg, very sportive and fit (due to CrossFit) and I am trying to SUP surf almost every week all year round (maybe besides February and March, North Sea and outer temperature bit too cold, but last Saturday (9 January) and New Years day I was in the water, so as long as it goes I will go. Mostly in the weekend due to work, but I also ike to go early in the morning before work when the sun is up early, so between April and September I usually SUP 2 times a week. My paddle technique is quite ok and I can ride down the line and do bottom turns BS and FS. Cuttbacks etc. is not within my routine (yet) but I am hoping to find a board to catch more waves, provide more stability in the messy waves and also is more maneuverable.

Circumstances here in the Netherlands vary. in 70% of the times the sea is wild and messy, waves follow each other shortly and can be high but not very large. Passing the first beach break can be hard because once you have passed the first wave the next one arrives fas, if you fall in that phase t can be quite a struggle. Once after the break the sea tends to be nervous (not as clear cut as in France where waves are clearly seen and where there is time and glassy water between the waves). However....with Northern storms and offshore wind it can be really glassy and nice, especially if you know which spot to go, with enough power and height. That is not so common as in France but it happens 2 a 3 out of 10 sorties.

I am happy with my current quiver, but I feel like I lack something. The mana is really comfortable and will take any wave. However it is big and clumsy, and once on the wave not so manouvrable. Next to this it tends to nosedive very easy, not so nice when on a big wave, so you really have to step back fast and stay low. Riding on the rail is not super easy with the mana and passing the first breaks sometimes challenging. The Fanatic is really nice on the wave, maneuverable and super on the rail. However It feels less stable in the nervous water, even less stable than a 130 liter nah swell get up 8'10 I tried sometimes while it is 145 liter. Next to this it doesn't catch green waves (further out on second or third sandbanks) as easy as the mana. However, again, once on the wave it is a delight. The Naish Raptor is very complicated, I have no problem with stability or stance, but the rowing effect is enormous, I have difficulties gaining speed without turning 45 degrees immediately, despite rowing in J's, so I will sell this one. However, once on the wave it is like a skateboard. Catching them however is a different story.

I am hoping GONG has the right board for me. I am doubting between a Karmen 8'9, a Mob 8,4 or an NFA 9,0 or 9'0 XL. Most important is the stability in a messy sea, easy of take off, good passage through the barrier and some maneuverability (not the most important however).

Hope you can give some advice! Thanks Matt

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Re: Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par hecub » lun. janv. 11, 2021 10:04 pm

The best board I tried for windy days were the NFA XL. They both are incredibly stable and easy.

The 10 XL requires a little less power from the waves.

Once the waves get a little more powerful (I'd say a little bigger than knee high) the 9 XL starts to really shine, because it become very lively, the contrast between its stability and its agility is really impressive.

I liked the Mob but more in nice conditions. In choppy conditions it's less stable, harder to catch the waves and not so fast to position yourself on the wave. And it is more impacted by the chop while surfing.

The Karmen is the one I know less, my impressions were that the board paddles really fast and cuts through the chop but it's also the less stable of the 3. I don't have the paddling skills required to enjoy it in choppy conditions.
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Re: Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par MagW » mer. janv. 13, 2021 6:56 pm

Hi Matt, living in Sweden I know all about choppy and messy waves. :D :D :D
The NFA series are really good in messy conditions and for taking of far outside and getting long rides. The 9' is for sure easier to handle and more compact than the 10, where you have to be more active with your feet to turn and maneuver. The more active you are on a longboard the better it performs, you can ride the nose etc. The 10' is also nice if its not to choppy, windy and big. If you want a snappier board you get the NFA Pro version, it turns and accelerates a bit faster than the FSX2. The XS 9' is to small for you. The NFA are stable and can handle bigger waves to, just remember to turn directly to avoid catching the nose during take off. If you really want stability go XL, however the standard 9' is more stable than your Fanatic.

If you want more turns (and no noserides) and easier take offs in the steep you may look at the Karmen. This board is based on two older shapes, one called Cloud. The Cloud was also really good for my conditions, and there are many happy customers here with those. The Karmen is a bit trickier to balance, compared to the Clouds but easier handle in bigger, steeper and faster waves which it surfs really well. And the biggest Karmen sizes are "easier" with more margin to balance, keeping the speed in flat sections etc.

Forget the Mob if you don't like the rowing effect and surf in windy conditions. With winds and chop it is another world with shortboards, without wind they are really easy.

I have always had one bigger and one smaller longboard in my quiver, complemented with shortboards which I only use when it is glassier conditions or e.g in France. Depending on the wind, wind direction, chop, currents etc of the day I make my choice to surf with my big och bigger longboard. The other day I SUP surfed in 15-18m/s, snow and 1 degree Celsius!
/Magnus
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Re: Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par Matti nl » sam. janv. 16, 2021 11:27 am

Ha Magnus and Heca, thanks a lot for your replies! This really helps a lot, I Will not go for a MOB, leave the choice between nfa 9,0/nfa pro 9,0. I hope the less volume Will not feel much less Stable than the allwave, but i see both in the description on the site and in Marcus’ comment that shape also matters and that I should be fine.

If anyone van precise the differences between the nfa and the pro that would be Nice, again i want to catch waves early/ green, have speed and manouvrability and functionality both in mushy/windy/choppy oceaan hete in Holland as well as glass and more height and power on holidays in vendee or les landes or sometimes even here:-)

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Re: Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par hecub » sam. janv. 16, 2021 11:44 am

I believe the shape is the same only the construction is different. Fsp Pro is little bit lighter and is supposed to add a better dynamic but I can't attest how much, I never tried one.
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Re: Karmen or NFA or MOB? best in clapot/messy sea

Message par coolas » sam. janv. 16, 2021 11:51 am

Basically lighter is always better, except in chop where a bit of weight makes the board easier to control.

If you favor manoeuvers and/or agressive surfing, go with the Pro.

If you want a bit more dampening of the chop at the expense of a bit of liveliness, go with the fsp.
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