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Windsurfing nostalgia

Message par coolas » jeu. sept. 10, 2020 9:11 am

Je viens enfin de retomber sur LE poster qui m'a tant fait phantasmer des années:
Thor (Mike Horgan) in Kailua- 1974. Photo by Steve Wilkings.

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Et d'autres tout aussi iconiques dans l'album "Windsurfing Hawaii" de Larry Stanley...
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Et d'autres parues dans Windsurfing Magazine (l'ancêtre de Wind) comme:
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Et, pour le plaisir, Nalani (Heen) Stanley:

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Message par Ours » jeu. sept. 10, 2020 9:56 am

Hello,

c'est génial, vraiment une autre époque.

Moi je suis arrivé à la fin de ça. Mais comme je n'avais pas d'argent, j'ai navigué sur ces vieilles planches à l'époque car elles étaient déjà abandonnées.
Je l'avais trouvée sur la plage après une tempête. J'avais fabriqué la dérive et go. J'en rêvais depuis que j'étais petit, du fin fond de ma campagne...

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Message par carlot » jeu. sept. 10, 2020 5:49 pm

Ça, c'est vrai, c’était vraiment une autre époque, et j'ai eu la chance d’être en plein dedans. Flotteur windsurfer en polyéthylène de 18 kgs, wishbonne en teck.....Très vite, on a reculé les centre de dérive et on les a raccourci. Puis on s'est mis à raccourcir les planches. Et puis et puis et puis,sont arrivés Barland et bien d'autre. Les voiles ont suivi..... Fathead ,planche courte, et harnais se sont mis à fleurir nos parking. Une époque vraiment chouette.

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Message par phiphibzh » jeu. sept. 10, 2020 7:47 pm

Vous me filez la nostalgie...Dufour wing, bic 750, Ken Winner...la grande époque 🥰🥰🥰

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Message par coolas » ven. févr. 25, 2022 10:24 am

Une autre!
Robby Naish a écrit :1976, Flat Island, Kailua Bay, Oahu, Hawaii. Original windsurfer... footstraps not invented yet, but still able to jump and get the fin out of the water. Wooden booms with harness lines - sporting my very first harness that my dad Rick sewed for me on my moms sewing machine. (although harnesses would still not be legal in windsurfing competition for three more years… Yes, we course raced with no harness !) He also sewed the nice big windows into my sail. This Steve Wilkings picture really showed where the sport of windsurfing was at the time and even more so where it was headed in the future!
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Message par otaketsup » ven. févr. 25, 2022 11:10 am

whou !! :shock: :)

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Message par voodoo13 » dim. févr. 27, 2022 8:01 pm

Ah bah oui, on est à fond ds la nostalgie là !

Comment faire tourner un ponton qd on pèse moins lourd que lui...

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Mais cette sensation de funboard au planning était restée bien enregistrée dans un coin de ma tête. Et un jour la maladie a repris ! (et n'est plus jamais repartie). Même problème avec le bodyboard d'ailleurs, il a juste muté en surf qqes années plus tard.
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Message par coolas » mer. mars 02, 2022 8:55 pm

Tant qu'on y est, ma fabuleuse Marco Copello ("Swell Expression") de 1987, avec la coupe Mulet - et le ventre plat - d'époque :-)


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Message par MDUGONG » dim. mars 13, 2022 11:56 pm

coolas a écrit :
mer. mars 02, 2022 8:55 pm
Tant qu'on y est, ma fabuleuse Marco Copello ("Swell Expression") de 1987, avec la coupe Mulet - et le ventre plat - d'époque :-)
Belle planche , Belle coupe... Mulet ! ☠️👨‍🎤

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Message par coolas » dim. août 14, 2022 9:36 am

Une compilation des vidéos "vintage" de windsurf:

https://www.waterwind.it/new/en/forum-e ... m-iwt.html

J'ai usé ma cassette VHS sur la séquence avec la musique "Audiosonic love affair" par the Dubrovniks à 12:15 de "Jason Polakow KA1111":

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Message par coolas » dim. août 14, 2022 9:45 am

Ah et du coup je m’aperçois que je n'ai pas mis ma vidéo vintage à moi: (je l'avais déjà mise en viewtopic.php?f=168&t=8936 mais elle a plus sa place ici)
à L'automne 1975, à 15 ans, ayant débuté au printemps, initié par un surfeur (Maurice Lejeune) qui m'avais dit - voyant que je kiffais la sensation de partir au surf sur le clapot - d'aller voir à St Aygult par vent d'Est, ça avait l'air surfable... Je suis donc allé voir!

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Coolas a écrit :Mes débuts dans les vagues en 1975 a St Aygulf, Var, France (puis Frejus 76 et 77). C'était avant l'invention du harnais, des straps, du pied de mat fixé. J'étais seul à plancher dans les vagues dans le coin pendant plusieurs années, et sans internet ni magazines je n'avais aucune idée de ce qu'il etait possible de faire ni des techniques. Je ne surfais pas encore, donc je faisais d'énormes fautes

C'était la première fois que je sortais dans autre chose que du gros clapot. a 1:12 je lâche tout, complètement affolé du mur d'eau qui m'arrivait dessus, je ne savais pas quoi faire... Et a chaque gamelle, c'est pied de mat qui lâche, natation pour aller chercher la planche au bord, puis revenir chercher la voile...

Epoque heroique capturée en Super 8...

La planche est une Windsurfer North Sails puis Ten Cate. J'ai une derive "tempete" de ma fabrication, et la planche en polyéthylène de 22kg est spatulée en la faisant chauffer puis en appuyant dessus, et wishbone en teck bien sur
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Message par coolas » dim. août 14, 2022 3:51 pm

Une vidéo vraiment vintage, juste au début de l'invention du Harnais.
Avec un Robby Naish de 15 ans... au petit air de Malo :-)

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Message par coolas » dim. mai 07, 2023 7:29 am

coolas a écrit :
jeu. sept. 10, 2020 9:11 am
Je viens enfin de retomber sur LE poster qui m'a tant fait phantasmer des années:
Thor (Mike Horgan) in Kailua- 1974. Photo by Steve Wilkings.
Et je viens de tomber sur une mini-bio de "Thor" posté par Larry Stanley sur Facebook https://www.facebook.com/larkstan/posts ... pNwZTg8dMl
que je recopie et mets en page ici (Facebook c'est éphémère et un bordel pour retrouver les choses).
C'est super intéressant sur l'histoire de Thor, essentiel dans l'histoire du Wind, mais oublié car dégoûté par le marketing de la compagnie Windsurfer, et combien l'impact mondial de ce poster fut phénoménal.

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Thank Thor

Many windsurfers who have been in the sport a while know that Michael Thor Horgan “discovered” and mentored Robby Naish who went on to become, by acclamation, the best windsurfer in the world. Were that his only achievement or influence, his roll in the transformation of windsurfing from an interesting category of sailing into one of the most extreme watersports ever might have been a mere historical footnote. I’m here to tell you firsthand that without Thor’s passion and intervention, windsurfing in its present form may never have come to be.

Arrival

Michael Thor Horgan was born and raised in typical ‘50s and ‘60s California fashion. His parents, especially his father, John, passed their humor, curiosity, and moderate temperament to him. Mike was not a fractious child, nor was he timid. Cars, girls, and adventure were sought and caught with enthusiasm and no small amount of expertise. As with many of his generation, he was called upon, answered, and served in the Viet Nam conflict, only to return home with an unglamorous understanding of reality that would inform and direct his life to come.

Back in the world, friends introduced him to windsurfing in the lakes and bays of north-central California. Enthralled and ensnared, he obtained a Windsurfer® dealership there, but to pursue the lifestyle he envisioned required year-round warm temperatures in a less hectic environment. In 1972, he moved to Oahu’s leeward “Town" side (Honolulu) where one of his friends, ex-Marine Andy Chaffee, was attending the University of Hawaii on a tennis scholarship and the GI Bill. They connected and sailed in Hawaii Kai’s Koko Marina, but the combination of the marina’s limited scope and Town’s frenetic pace did not meet their criteria. They knew that somewhere, there was better. Their wandering eventually led to the unfettered reaches of windward Oahu’s Kailua Bay.

Kailua’s diverse and tolerant character was composed by generations of fishermen and paddlers, commuters and retirees, artists and world-class surfers, the idle rich and dedicated business persons. It is separated from the hubbub of Honolulu by the spectacular features of the Koolau mountain range. Its beaches were uncrowded and inviting, its homes attractive but simple, the air scented by dinners cooking and flowering greenery. Gentle tradewinds that blew onshore day and night could become fierce for weeks without pause, generating towering swells that relentlessly pounded the barrier reefs and unprotected shores. Here and there, reef passes and offshore islands refracted, groomed, and shaped the unruly swells into surfable waves. Smitten, Thor and Andy relocated and there, Thor set about creating his future… and many of ours.

The Kailua Kids

Living in Kailua was a sweetness. It suited Thor’s and Chaffee’s temperaments and they thrived, sailing alone, all but unnoticed in the bay. They were not unnoticed, though, and attracted the attention of the few original Oahu windsurfers- Peter Trombly, Ross Reed, and Jim Frierson- and myself, a surfer and sailor who was intrigued by this apparition in the shorebreak. Upon our first meeting, we chatted, found many shared preferences and sensibilities, and for lack of a better term, became partners at first sight; partners in the sense of friends who pursue a common goal and always have each other’s back.
Tommy Marciel, Kailua native and my Navy shipmate during the Great Mistake, found a comfortable house on Omao Street that we had been renting for a couple of years. It was just a short block from the beach where Thor and Andy Chaffee came to live in 1973. Within a year of our meeting, Thor, Pat Love, Ken Kleid, and Andy moved in with Tommy and me and the house became the de-facto windsurfing in Hawaii “headquarters”. A “storm bell” placed under the eaves of our house was mute until “Small Craft Advisories”, 25+ knots of steady tradewinds, called us to action. We each had jobs to support ourselves, but our means were modest, our needs were simple, and our distractions were few. It amazes me how entertaining, enlightening, and conflict-free our environment was. To a man, our center was windsurfing, and our “leader” was Thor.

Thor was (and still is) a force; his candid personality, adventurous spirit, and hanky-dropping appeal to the ladies put him naturally at the front of the group. We began to regularly assemble at the Kailua Beach Park boat ramp, Thor’s low-key proselytizing, patience, persistence, and personality permanently bonding us. The fellowship grew rapidly and created the colorful, eclectic scene that came to define Kailua for the next decade. Perhaps most significantly, Thor espied and ensnared a family of spirited athletes- Rick, Randy, and Robby Naish. The ensemble that some time later a European magazine contributor would nickname “the Kailua Kids” expanded rapidly, encompassing “kids” from 11 to 50 years old. We raced one-design occasionally- Thor dominated- but if conditions were pumping, we sought thrills outside the triangles. Gale-force winds that whipped the sea into a chaotic terrain exposed the one-design’s limitations, but the inadequacies and defeats triggered creativity, and this is the crux of Thor’s legacy.
Within a year of Thor’s arrival in Kailua, much of the core group’s time, if not sailing, was spent tinkering in their shops. Our shop was just a bench along the side wall of our carport. We all knew darned well that the craft could be modified to make it safer and to perform better in high wind conditions. I don’t think any of us realized the full effect we were going to have on the sport. To us, easier, safer, faster, and stronger = more fun. We seat-of-the-pants engineers were lucky to have actual engineers in the group to reality-check us. Someone would show up with a trick modification and within days, everyone had it. The next several years in Kailua were perhaps one of the most fruitful periods of development in high-performance windsurfing’s history.

Chroming Dogshit

Thor’s irreverent viewpoint was that his one-design Windsurfer® was not sacrosanct- he felt free to cut, attach, replace, invent, repurpose, and discard at will. None of us had a problem with that.
  • We all had bruises and massive craters on our lower halves caused by the universal joint tee popping out of the mast step and by its harsh corners. Thor built slightly larger, gently contoured tees from scrap teak and replaced the brass shim with rubber rod stock similar to what held daggerboards in place. Eventually we just glued the damned things in permanently, dramatically reducing the amount of H2O2 and Isopropyl alcohol treatment on festering sores as part of our daily routine. Didn’t affect the board’s performance one bit.
  • Swimming to retrieve the uphaul after crashing was just accepted as normal, but the delay in getting the sail up often resulted in broken equipment. Self-rescuing far from shore in churning seas with sharp objects flailing about really sucks. Thor’s fix: attach the end of the uphaul with bungee to the mast base, and then, inventing the internally-bungeed uphaul. Didn’t affect the board or rig’s performance one bit.
  • You know what else sucked? Downhauls, inhauls, or outhauls coming out of the Mini Cleats (no fairlead), sometimes more that one at the same time. No matter how well you secured the tails, they would loosen and leave you to re-rig in the water in untenable conditions. I had sailed other boats and worked in a marine hardware store, so I knew about fairleads on cleats. When I mentioned it to Thor, the gist of his response was, “…what took you so long to think of that and why haven’t you changed them out already”? Chastened, I replaced the Minis with Racing Juniors (with fairlead); end of problem. Didn’t affect the board or rig’s performance one bit.
  • After falling, the wind sometimes got under the clew and flipping the sail in such a way that the plastic piece in the universal joint would break or the alder-wood mast base would split at the tangs. Have a nice, long paddle and hope somebody on the beach had a spare. Thor took two standard single-swivel universals, disassembled them, and made a double-swivel universal. He bought a small hobby lathe and turned scrap teak into a mast base that he could attach the new double-swivel u-joint to, which simultaneously fixed the problem of alder-wood mast bases swelling so tightly into the mast that you sometimes had to literally dig them out. Teak doesn’t swell like that. Didn’t affect the board or rig’s performance one bit.
  • Remember how fun it was to pull the daggerboard out of the slot, hang it from your arm by the tourniquet that passed for a strap, and get hit in the head, back, chest, legs, and other parts as it flopped around during high-speed downwind reaches? We replaced the long loop with a short, fore-and-aft webbing or rope macrame strap. One of the first adaptations Thor and Chaffee made for free-sailing was to cut their daggerboards to half their length so they seldom needed to pull them out of the board. The effect was noticeable, impelling Thor and I to experiment with variations that led to smaller, swept-back hi-wind daggerboards that didn’t need to be removed to go fast off the wind or surf a wave. You all had them; good, yeah?
Do you notice a pattern here? Except for the last example, the improvements “Didn’t affect the board or rig’s performance one bit”, but Thor was disqualified from racing in the 1975 Nationals at Association Island for having: a bungeed uphaul, a non-stock tee, a non-stock base, a double swivel universal joint, and Junior Racing cleats on all hauls, none of which affected the speed, weight, or function of the one-design hull or sail. That was also the end of Thor’s racing career, which was a shame because he was very good at it. It is possibly unrelated to this disenchantment, but around that same, time the restrictions and demands of the Windsurfer® dealership no longer suited him, so he sold the dealership to Tommy Marciel and Ken Kleid, who beneficently bestowed an equal share in the partnership to me. Ironically, in the ensuing years, the Windsurfer® one-design equipment was changed significantly and the changes that got him booted from the regattas were allowed within the class.

A Photograph and A Turning Point

Early in our association, Thor and I focused on building Kailua-worthy windsurfers without the ®. No idea was too outlandish to consider. Meaningful modifications (to detail them all would turn this short read into a 10 hour documentary) made windsurfing safer and new moves made it more interesting and enjoyable. The Schweitzers became aware of this and hired renowned surf photographer Steve Wilkings and surf film maker Yuri Farrant to capture the “Kailua Kids” at play in the Bay. One of the images, the shot of the day, as it were, was the Windsurfing Poster photo of Thor taken from the water at Flat Island by Wilkings. No one had seen anything like it in the windsurfing realm. In my imaginings, I saw Thor, the namesake, engaged in a sport reserved for demigods; his heroic profile flying with golden banner through the tempest, trailing white-hot fire and cleaving the walls of a mountain fortress.

Almost immediately after the Thor poster’s release, awe-struck windsurfers worldwide paused their businesses, packed their gear, and flew to Hawaii. Our tranquil town became the center of windsurfing’s new image; we were building it, and they came. The word that excellent implements for high-performance windsurfing were being forged in Kailua spread quickly everywhere there was wind and water. All who came and scored agreed, “Now, THIS is windsurfing” and “Take my money- I want one of those”!

Additionally, manufacturers worldwide were coming to Kailua to use the cache of Hawaii and its talented sailors to promote their wares. Thor and I were skeptical to the point of rudeness. Their crap folded like tinfoil at the slightest touch or didn’t function properly because of silly design flaws. We had to modify their equipment to make it usable. The philosophy of “If it looks flashy, that’s good enough” frustrated us to distraction. They disdained our materials-at-hand, function-before-fashion approach, and their assumption seemed to be that if they flashed a few dollars, we would do or accept anything they asked of us. The money was hard to pass up, but Thor told me, “I’m tired of chroming dogshit”. We came to the conclusion that to get what we needed, we were going to have to make it ourselves.

Thor joined Colin Perry, Pat Love, and me in the Windsurfing Hawaii company that Colin had rescued from bankruptcy. His contributions to the development of our unprecedented product line was absolutely critical to WH’s success- a perfect example being the stainless steel spreader bar he designed and made for young Robby, who complained the Harken hook on his original Pat Love harness was crushing his ribs and pushing his sternum almost to the backbone. Not long after we had successfully lobbied Windsurfing International to modify one of their one-design molds to create the first Windsurfer Rocket®, Thor built “the Box” in his spare time in his back yard. It seems fitting that one of the most famous of Steve Wilkings’ windsurfing photographs was of Thor flying the Box high above the waves of Diamond Head. The moody sky and his superhero stance matched the out-of-this-world image of the Kailua poster. A better pair of bookends to an astounding era I cannot begin to imagine.

Aftermath

Thor, his wife Cathy, and their first-born moved to Santa Barbara in the early 80’s where Thor managed WH’s hardware production. His departure from the company in the late 80s left a hole that to my mind was never completely filled. Thor now lives and windsurfs in Oregon- still tweaking his gear and inventing what he needs, such as the trick carbon fiber spreader bar he made at home in recent years, a vast improvement over the stainless steel spreader bar he made for young Robby those many years ago. Thor also vacations regularly on Maui where he is once again in the company of giants…you know who you are.

Words by Larry Stanley, May 2023, in San Juanico, Baja California Sur, Mexico
Photos: Steve Wilkings
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Message par coolas » dim. mai 07, 2023 7:39 am

On voit Thor et Larry Stanley dans ce doc de 22 minutes "Wind and Water"

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